Feb. 2, 2026

Ep 1260 | Jase, Missy & Kasey Van Norman Have a Heavy Conversation About Cheating, Shame & True Healing

Show Notes

Jase, Missy, and Al dive into an unfiltered conversation about cheating, confession, and the judgment that often follows when sin comes into the light. Joined by longtime friend, author, and counselor Kasey Van Norman, they confront the lie beneath adultery and why hiding can feel safer than healing, especially in church culture. Kasey shares her own story of infidelity, exposure, and redemption, revealing how honesty brought freedom even when consequences were severe.

In this episode: 1 John 1, verse 7; John 8, verses 1–11; Ephesians 6, verses 16–17; Isaiah 6, verses 5–8

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Chapters:

00:00 Unashamed “after dark”

03:58 Why church smiles don’t match Sunday morning reality

07:12 Parenting later in life changes everything

09:16 Missy welcomes longtime friend Casey Van Norman

12:38 Duck hunting & menopause don’t mix

20:36 Casey’s marriage story & the moment everything shifted

27:48 Believing in God but believing the wrong lie

35:04 Confession, consequences, & real freedom